Honestly I think Nintendo justifies staying in hardware by being some of the best quality while also being largely the cheapest and most family friendly option outside of maybe like a tablet. If they gave up that exclusivity they’d be doing it to compete in a race they’ve already basically won.
I can’t say that I’m disappointed by the Switch 2’s reveal; it was what we thought it was going to be, but that’s okay. It’s a video game console, not a movie. I didn’t need it to be a surprise, I needed it to be a step forward from the Switch. And the number naming system makes sense when the Wii U was such a confusing mess that even I didn’t realize it was a different system from the Wii until the Wii U was all but dead and gone.
If I did have one complaint, and I do, it’s that rumors are saying it’s going to be an LCD screen and not OLED. Now, this won’t be a problem if the two rumored SKUs are an LCD screen and an OLED screen at launch, but after the Switch OLED, I do feel like LCD is a step back and should really only be there for budget-minded buyers; I’m all for making the console more affordable for more people by using an LCD screen. But I don’t want to wait several more years for the OLED to come out and then deal with buying a new console, wiping my old one, and selling it. I’ve been waiting long enough for the Switch 2 already, don’t make me wait longer for OLED.
I think a point that gets lost on a lot of gaming enthusiasts is that the Switch is a handheld console that almost everyone can use. All you have to do is launch a game and it works as it was intended to. No fiddling with power and performance settings, anyone can just pick up and play and largely have the same experience. Nintendo absolutely still has a place in the hardware market, just as Valve (and Asus, LG, etc) has a place.
Apologies for replying to myself, but I wanted to expand on my thoughts a bit. The point I was trying to make is that I think the Steam Deck (and other handheld gaming PCs) is a handheld for PC gamers who are already accustomed to the quirks of the platform, and kind of exists in the Reddit bubble, if you take my meaning. A hobbyist device, if you will.
As for the Switch 2, I think Nintendo is going to its work cut out for it to get everyday folks to upgrade. While I may be hopefully looking forward to maybe being able to play Tears of the Kingdom in, if not 60fps, then at least a completely stable 30 that doesn’t chug when it rains in game, I don’t know if my nibling who only really plays Mario Kart and indie games will be so easily swayed. I think Big N is going to have to have a compelling game(s) that is exclusive to the Switch 2, lest we have another Wii U situation on our hands.
I love the little thrill I get when one of the Besties doesn't speak up in the cold open and I think it's going to be a 3 hander but then they play the theme and do the intros and all 4 boys are there. Podcasts are fun.
I feel like any complaint or question about whether the Switch 2 justifies Nintendo continuing to make hardware is insane when looking at the much less significant strides that Sony and Microsoft have arguably made from generation to generation. I'm not sure if Justin is just joking around or if he's actually serious, but even the argument that Nintendo used to do a lot of different console paths (handhelds vs. motion control vs. main consoles) seems silly considering that the Switch itself was arguably a triumph because it unified all of that. If the Switch 2 is continuing that while potentially even in introducing this mouse-like feature, they're still expanding on the out-of-the-box capabilities of a console that is already doing far more than its competitors.
Also just, what is the other world: No competition and only Valve is making consoles? I can see that folks want to play Nintendo games on other consoles, but I think it's an okay world where you can play everything on Switch + PC (or Steam Deck/ Ally).
Also the Switch is the only handheld console I can realistically fit in my backpack while traveling (not counting retro malarkey here).
I love you guys, but I feel like there’s a major disconnect you have with the average gamer when it comes to consoles (not just the switch, but earlier conversations about the future of Xbox). A lot of people just want consoles, and don’t consider something like the Steam Deck a console in the traditional sense. I’m certainly one of them, I do not play games on a PC or use Steam for anything, I just want a console in my living room or handheld. I feel like that’s pretty common among the masses, but less so among the Besties.
Additionally, I was ecstatic at the Switch 2 trailer, because it was exactly what I wanted: an improved iteration on the Switch. I didn’t want them to innovate for no reason, I wanted them to take what was so successful and fine tune it. That’s more valuable to me than something big and splashy that may suck. That may make me boring, but I don’t think I’m alone in wanting to continue playing Switch with better, more modern games.
I think it was Griffin who said that the Switch 2 announcement trailer would have been more exciting if Nintendo had also announced some of the titles available at launch, and I completely agree. As someone who doesn't buy consoles at launch and only when there's one or more games I really want to play on it, I'm not going to get hyped for the hardware until they announce a game I'm excited for.
I totally get that. I bought my Switch when I was living in Tokyo and it had just come out and I was missing my PS4 back in the States something awful, so I just got it without any idea of what to play other than BOTW, which was my first Zelda game. For this one, though, I will be buying immediately upon release because I already know that everything in my back catalogue of Switch games will run on it (I don’t play Ring Fit or anything with peripherals) and likely run better, and I’m certain that games I want will come out on it—unless somehow they stop making Pokemon games for Nintendo! This announcement definitely had the feeling of “Fine, we’ll announce it, since it’s all out there anyway, but we really wanted to do this in April”, which is why I think it was so form factor focused rather than having much game footage or even the tiniest bit of tech specs, like screen size or overall dimensions.
Quick shout out for recommending steamworld heist 2, picked it up this weekend because of it being on sale for $15 on steam. Im just starting to get a grasp of the combat and multi class system and boy do I love it. The character designs are also amazing - I love the bone robots. I think the sale goes until Feb 7th as well.
I feel like since the Switch came out, people have been asking for a Switch Pro, and that this is just that.
Almost a mid-cycle refresh, not a new generation. It doesn’t appear to do much fundamentally different, other than the nice I guess.
Also, guys, I never buy stuff day 1 but Citizen Sleeper is my favourite game I played last year and I cannot wait to get and devour that game. Loved the demo from last next fest, I think it was
Hey Besties. Just wanted to let you know I'm slightly "hogged out" and just finished a low calorie alcoholic beverage. I also just ordered a fried chicken sandwich with fries, it's ever so slowly snowing, and, thanks to you, I just booted up Heroes of Hammerwatch II. Thanks guys, hope you're doing well <3
Regarding more physicality with the Switch 2: one thing I always loved with the Switch, was that it actually did have good motion controls. Not essential, but almost like a backwards compatibility feature. I sometimes feel like people completely forget it because they remember how bad it was when forced, so never try it out, but it worked fine with Super Mario Galaxy, and is great in the Zelda games and Splatoon. Hell, they even made a Wii Sports sequel.
So I don't see how the Switch 2 would focus MORE on motion controls. It seems to do fine as part of the control scheme, rather than being the focus.
Honestly I think Nintendo justifies staying in hardware by being some of the best quality while also being largely the cheapest and most family friendly option outside of maybe like a tablet. If they gave up that exclusivity they’d be doing it to compete in a race they’ve already basically won.
Justin: the Switch 2 is justified by not making Nintendo beholden to Sony or Microsoft to make games.
That said: I was really hoping for the name being Super Nintendo Switch or something.
I can’t say that I’m disappointed by the Switch 2’s reveal; it was what we thought it was going to be, but that’s okay. It’s a video game console, not a movie. I didn’t need it to be a surprise, I needed it to be a step forward from the Switch. And the number naming system makes sense when the Wii U was such a confusing mess that even I didn’t realize it was a different system from the Wii until the Wii U was all but dead and gone.
If I did have one complaint, and I do, it’s that rumors are saying it’s going to be an LCD screen and not OLED. Now, this won’t be a problem if the two rumored SKUs are an LCD screen and an OLED screen at launch, but after the Switch OLED, I do feel like LCD is a step back and should really only be there for budget-minded buyers; I’m all for making the console more affordable for more people by using an LCD screen. But I don’t want to wait several more years for the OLED to come out and then deal with buying a new console, wiping my old one, and selling it. I’ve been waiting long enough for the Switch 2 already, don’t make me wait longer for OLED.
I think a point that gets lost on a lot of gaming enthusiasts is that the Switch is a handheld console that almost everyone can use. All you have to do is launch a game and it works as it was intended to. No fiddling with power and performance settings, anyone can just pick up and play and largely have the same experience. Nintendo absolutely still has a place in the hardware market, just as Valve (and Asus, LG, etc) has a place.
Apologies for replying to myself, but I wanted to expand on my thoughts a bit. The point I was trying to make is that I think the Steam Deck (and other handheld gaming PCs) is a handheld for PC gamers who are already accustomed to the quirks of the platform, and kind of exists in the Reddit bubble, if you take my meaning. A hobbyist device, if you will.
As for the Switch 2, I think Nintendo is going to its work cut out for it to get everyday folks to upgrade. While I may be hopefully looking forward to maybe being able to play Tears of the Kingdom in, if not 60fps, then at least a completely stable 30 that doesn’t chug when it rains in game, I don’t know if my nibling who only really plays Mario Kart and indie games will be so easily swayed. I think Big N is going to have to have a compelling game(s) that is exclusive to the Switch 2, lest we have another Wii U situation on our hands.
Justin, please keep referencing “press sneak fucks” as often as possible, thank you
I love the little thrill I get when one of the Besties doesn't speak up in the cold open and I think it's going to be a 3 hander but then they play the theme and do the intros and all 4 boys are there. Podcasts are fun.
I feel like any complaint or question about whether the Switch 2 justifies Nintendo continuing to make hardware is insane when looking at the much less significant strides that Sony and Microsoft have arguably made from generation to generation. I'm not sure if Justin is just joking around or if he's actually serious, but even the argument that Nintendo used to do a lot of different console paths (handhelds vs. motion control vs. main consoles) seems silly considering that the Switch itself was arguably a triumph because it unified all of that. If the Switch 2 is continuing that while potentially even in introducing this mouse-like feature, they're still expanding on the out-of-the-box capabilities of a console that is already doing far more than its competitors.
Also just, what is the other world: No competition and only Valve is making consoles? I can see that folks want to play Nintendo games on other consoles, but I think it's an okay world where you can play everything on Switch + PC (or Steam Deck/ Ally).
Also the Switch is the only handheld console I can realistically fit in my backpack while traveling (not counting retro malarkey here).
I love you guys, but I feel like there’s a major disconnect you have with the average gamer when it comes to consoles (not just the switch, but earlier conversations about the future of Xbox). A lot of people just want consoles, and don’t consider something like the Steam Deck a console in the traditional sense. I’m certainly one of them, I do not play games on a PC or use Steam for anything, I just want a console in my living room or handheld. I feel like that’s pretty common among the masses, but less so among the Besties.
Additionally, I was ecstatic at the Switch 2 trailer, because it was exactly what I wanted: an improved iteration on the Switch. I didn’t want them to innovate for no reason, I wanted them to take what was so successful and fine tune it. That’s more valuable to me than something big and splashy that may suck. That may make me boring, but I don’t think I’m alone in wanting to continue playing Switch with better, more modern games.
I think it was Griffin who said that the Switch 2 announcement trailer would have been more exciting if Nintendo had also announced some of the titles available at launch, and I completely agree. As someone who doesn't buy consoles at launch and only when there's one or more games I really want to play on it, I'm not going to get hyped for the hardware until they announce a game I'm excited for.
I totally get that. I bought my Switch when I was living in Tokyo and it had just come out and I was missing my PS4 back in the States something awful, so I just got it without any idea of what to play other than BOTW, which was my first Zelda game. For this one, though, I will be buying immediately upon release because I already know that everything in my back catalogue of Switch games will run on it (I don’t play Ring Fit or anything with peripherals) and likely run better, and I’m certain that games I want will come out on it—unless somehow they stop making Pokemon games for Nintendo! This announcement definitely had the feeling of “Fine, we’ll announce it, since it’s all out there anyway, but we really wanted to do this in April”, which is why I think it was so form factor focused rather than having much game footage or even the tiniest bit of tech specs, like screen size or overall dimensions.
The Clock mention!!! It’s so good. Chris Plante demonstrating his immaculate taste again.
Hope Justin doesn't check the Reddit.
Hope he doesn’t check this comment alluding to people criticizing him on Reddit.
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13:17 - Caught Russ slipping
Quick shout out for recommending steamworld heist 2, picked it up this weekend because of it being on sale for $15 on steam. Im just starting to get a grasp of the combat and multi class system and boy do I love it. The character designs are also amazing - I love the bone robots. I think the sale goes until Feb 7th as well.
I feel like since the Switch came out, people have been asking for a Switch Pro, and that this is just that.
Almost a mid-cycle refresh, not a new generation. It doesn’t appear to do much fundamentally different, other than the nice I guess.
Also, guys, I never buy stuff day 1 but Citizen Sleeper is my favourite game I played last year and I cannot wait to get and devour that game. Loved the demo from last next fest, I think it was
CANT WAIT TO TALK ABOUT CITIZEN SLEEPER 2!!
Hey Besties. Just wanted to let you know I'm slightly "hogged out" and just finished a low calorie alcoholic beverage. I also just ordered a fried chicken sandwich with fries, it's ever so slowly snowing, and, thanks to you, I just booted up Heroes of Hammerwatch II. Thanks guys, hope you're doing well <3
Regarding more physicality with the Switch 2: one thing I always loved with the Switch, was that it actually did have good motion controls. Not essential, but almost like a backwards compatibility feature. I sometimes feel like people completely forget it because they remember how bad it was when forced, so never try it out, but it worked fine with Super Mario Galaxy, and is great in the Zelda games and Splatoon. Hell, they even made a Wii Sports sequel.
So I don't see how the Switch 2 would focus MORE on motion controls. It seems to do fine as part of the control scheme, rather than being the focus.